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via the Jewish men who fled the Nazis then returned to fight them - The Boston Globe:


Now Bruce Henderson has rescued that story from the past, providing in “Sons and Soldiers’’ a gripping tale of how 2,000 Jews who fled Europe during the Nazi reign returned to that war torn continent, determined to free their homelands from Third Reich tyranny and prevent further atrocities. It is a story of courage and determination, revenge and redemption, grippingly told in a fast-moving narrative.

On both sides of the Atlantic, the war was fought in part by bureaucrats. There were the Nazis who categorized the Jews as a dangerous race doomed to extinction. Then there were the Americans who categorized Jewish refugees as enemy aliens, ineligible to fight their onetime tormentors — until sanity prevailed as it became clear that the newcomer’s language and cultural familiarity would be assets to the Allies.

“We were fighting an American war, and we were also fighting an intensely personal war,’’ said Guy Stern, one of these emigre warriors. “We were in it with every fiber of our being. We worked harder than anyone could have driven us. We were crusaders. This was our war.’’

The book opens with accounts of the youths of many of these men, heartbreaking stories of childhoods disrupted by taunting, bullying, and terror, followed by abrupt departures from home and family, often alone, for America. … Another, safe for a time in Amsterdam, said: “Germany is no longer our homeland. I’ll take up a gun against those crooks anytime.’’

…Hoping to take revenge on the Nazis, or hoping to right an eternal wrong in Europe, or hoping to save other Jews from death, or simply hoping to use their wartime assignments as a way to find lost and imperiled family members, they were dispatched, or smuggled, into Europe, this time working with American personnel, this time with a mission greater than self-preservation.

…It begins with the simple fact that these men who fled Europe yearned to return. And then there are the small ironies of combat, such as how Manny Steinfeld struggled to qualify as a parachutist but eventually rode into Holland on a glider, conveyances sometimes dubbed Flying Coffins. Steinfeld survived, eventually interrogating prisoners — and exchanging gunfire with German soldiers concealed in the forest. Later he presided over the burial of 200 civilian victims of Nazi cruelty.

The ironies, moreover, are captured in passages like this: “On the long walk across the valley, with the German Jew leading the blindfolded SS officer by the crook of his arm and telling him when to watch his step, the two began to talk.’’

Indeed, on the long walk through the war years, the German Jews confronted SS officers who had been their mortal enemies and told them to watch their step. It is a magnificent story, one crying out to be told and one that is told very well.

Read David M. Shribman’s full piece at the Boston Globe.
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Jewish refugees crowd together in the sleeping quarters aboard the "Exodus 1947." July 1947
Passengers on board the Exodus 1947 refugee ship, which has just arrived at the Haifa, Palestine port, peer out of cabin windows. The British will forcibly return the refugees to Europe. July 19, 1947
Passengers on the deck of the refugee ship "Exodus 1947" in Haifa. July 18, 1947
Jewish refugees, including children, disembark from the "Exodus 1947" refugee ship. They will be sent back to Europe by British authorities. Haifa, Palestine, July 19, 1947.
A British soldier removes refugees, wounded resisting the British, from the ship "Exodus 1947." Haifa, Palestine, July 20, 1947
Jewish displaced persons at the Hohne-Belsen DP camp protest Britain's decision to send back to Germany the Jewish refugees from Exodus 1947. - Henry Ries, Sept 1947
Displaced person protest the forced return to Germany of passengers from Exodus 1947. British Foreign Secretary Ernest Bevin is hanged in effigy. - Henry Ries, Sept 1947
Jewish children, forcibly removed by British soldiers from the ship at Poppendorf displaced persons camp, Germany. - Henry Ries, Sept 1947
A British guard at Poppendorf DP camp after the arrival of Jewish refugees forces from the Exodus 1947 ship. - Henry Ries, Sept 1947

In July 1947, the President Warfield left Sète, France, for Palestine. It carried over 4,500 Jewish men, women, and children, all displaced persons (DPs) or survivors of the Holocaust. Even before the ship (by then renamed the Exodus 1947) reached Palestine’s territorial waters, British destroyers surrounded it. On July 18 a struggle ensued between British naval forces and passengers on the ship. A Jewish crew member and two passengers were killed. Dozens suffered bullet wounds and other injuries.

Attempting to make an example of the Exodus 1947, the British towed the ship to Haifa and transferred the passengers onto three navy transports which returned to Europe. The ships first landed at Port-de-Bouc, France, where the passengers were ordered to disembark. When the French authorities refused to forcibly remove the refugees, British authorities, fearing adverse public opinion, sought to wait until the passengers disembarked of their own accord. The passengers, including many orphaned children, forced the issue by declaring a hunger strike which lasted 24 days. Mounting pressure from international media coverage pressed British authorities to find a solution. The ships sat for three weeks in the sweltering summer heat, but the passengers refused to voluntarily disembark and the French authorities were unwilling to force them to leave. The British government then transported the passengers to Hamburg, where they were interned in camps in the British zone of occupation in Germany.

- “Exodus 1947” United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
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when countries do not take responsibility for their part in the holocaust it’s actually so much shittier than if they would just own up to their past. because it makes me think, hmm. if they’re going to ignore their past then will they repeat it? 

how is Poland supposed to take responsibility for Hitler’s actions?? just because some of the concentration camps were located in Poland does not make them “polish death camps”. the Nazis built them on the territory of Poland but that’s because Poland was under the Nazis’ occupation not because polish people were involved in holocaust, and even if so, they were mostly killed in those concentration camps. Now I’m not saying that polish people are completely innocent, because let’s face it , it was war and everyone did what they had to in order to survive, but putting the blame for something Hitler and his sympathizers had done on polish people is not okay and unfair.

I’m so glad you asked. 

Yes, a huge amount of Polish people died. But the ones that didn’t? They were the ones turning in Jews. Individual Poles benefited greatly from the Holocaust, gaining property and safety in turn for turning Jews over to be murdered. And yes, they knew what was happening. They knew where these Jews were going. These were their neighbors and they said, here they are. Take them. 

Poles have long denied their cooperation with Nazis, but while they may deny it, history tells the story. Poles hated Jews long before Nazis came knocking.

In some towns, Nazis barely had to do anything. Poles enacted their own pogroms, like in Jedwabne in 1941. 

After the war, in 1946, in Kielce, 42 Jews were murdered. At that point, most Polish Jews got the fuck out of there. Because I don’t know how the hell you argue that Poles weren’t complicit and didn’t share Nazi antisemitism when they’re murdering Jews after the Holocaust. 

And before you say, Poles had to cooperate, it may interest you to know some countries resisted. Denmark, for example. Most of Denmark’s police did not cooperate with Nazis. 

So I’m not putting unfair blame on Poles when I say that if they had not cooperated, more Jews would have survived. A lot more Jews. As it is, we’ve yet to reach pre-Holocaust levels.

lemme make shit clear to you, Polish people paid the ugly price for denying cooperation with Germans before the war, they were put in concentration camps because of their nationality, not their religious beliefs. The Germans asked whether Poland would cooperate with them on starting the war with Russians and we said no. That’s the direct cause of Gleiwitz provocation which I’m sure you’re aware of. We had to pay the price for not wanting to cooperate with the Nazis. So go educate yourself and stop spreading shit about Poles, cause we along the Jews are the true victims of this war

You don’t have to “make shit clear to me” I’m perfectly aware Poland initially did not cooperate with Germany. But during the war Poles and government agencies collaborated with the Nazis.

I’m not saying Nazis liked Poles, they hated them. But they were never going to try to wipe them off the planet like they wanted to wipe polish Jews off the planet.

I’m not really talking about pre-war and early war Poland, but if you’d like to let’s talk about Jedwabne 1941.

Poles hunted Jews without Nazi help. Makes it a little hard for you all to claim total victim status when you all were not only assisting genocide, you all were taking such wonderful initiative.

If we’re talking about civilian casualties, the Soviet Union had way, way more than Poland. Poles were not systematically targeted for genocide in the way Jews and Roma people were, so no, you all aren’t the true victims of the war. You all aren’t struggling to return to pre-war populations, we are. Thanks for proving my point about so many Poles totally disregarding history.

and YOU tell me that MY people were cooperating with Germans? The same women, children and men who were taken out of their homes in the middle of the night, beaten to death, raped and finally taken to the concentration camps. THESE PEOPLE WERE NOT JEWS. They were hurt like this because of the sick needs and wants of THE OCCUPANT. they loved your people like they loved their own. you were our family so may you please stop making the NATZI CONCENTRATION CAMPS ABOUT POLAND AND INVOLVEMENT OF POLISH PEOPLE IN CREATING SUCH HORROR CAUSE ITS SIMPLY NON EXISTENT? those Jews killed after war? they were suspecting they’re keeping polish children. they were scared of the next generation of our people who could recreate the country we were. thanks for your attention and involvement in this discussion. have a nice evening.

I am telling you, plain and simple, that when it came to murdering your Jewish population, the vast majority of your people cooperated with the Nazis. They did, it’s indisputable historical fact. Just look at Dabrowa Tarnowska, a microcosm of the way the Polish people treated their Jewish neighbors during the war- they betrayed them whenever they could, and often enough they didn’t even need any provocation to do so from the Germans- you people were perfectly willing to kill us on your own. 

We were never your family. Poland made that perfectly clear that it never considered its Jews to be true Poles. And your fucking use of blood libel as an excuse for post-war pogroms makes it all the more clear that nothing at all has changed since then. Nothing about your damnable country was ever worth recreating. Please, don’t have a nice day.  

well thanks for making me an antisemite now. I was stating my point and my opinion and you’re just being rude towards me.

@grande-bourgeoisie: Incites blood libel and rewrites Polish history to excuse the murder of Jews. Also @grande-bourgeoisie: How dare you call me anti-Semite OMG you Jews are so rude???

Poland has done a lot to erase their complicity in the Holocaust from their national consciousness. I’ve been to Poland. Everywhere there are monuments commemorating the massacres of Catholics and the like during WWII, but little to nothing at Jewish ghost towns and sites of mass graves.

What really got to me was when we were visiting one of the worst Polish labor/death camps, I don’t remember what it was called, and our guide called our attention to the fence surrounding the camp. A large city had its limits probably about 100 yards from it, maybe less. Well within view of what was going on there. Every Pole who lived in that city would be able to see into the camp as they went about their business every day. And they did nothing. Hundreds of thousands died in that camp.

They did nothing. Like we’ve been saying, their complicity has been erased from the national consciousness in the face of their own victimhood.
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@ any goyim who are flipping out over trump’s Poland speech

jews have been telling you from Day 1 how dangerous trump’s nationalism is. DAY ONE. he hired far right people and there were records suggesting his dad was a fucking klu klux klan member. and ya’ll are shocked, just shocked.

no. you all wouldn’t be shocked if you had just listened to us from the fucking beginning. 

@optimistic-pessimisms In the speech trump mentions the pope, a nation under G-d, and so many other things that makes it clear that while he references the Warsaw uprising, he understands nothing about Jews in Poland. he’s celebrating the Christians in charge and Jews are a relic of the past to him. He erases the fact that poles were extremely willing to cooperate with Germany and that the polish home army was protecting poles, not necessarily Jews. He doesn’t understand the warsaw uprising or the pogroms. He’s talking about white Christians banding together against the “other.”

Everything always has to be about fucking Jews apparently

There are currently about 7500 Jews in Poland, that’s about 0,02%, two hundreths of a percent of the population. Not really the most important topic.

In the 1930s Jews were about 10% of the Polish population.  I WONDER WHAT HAPPENED.

Poles: *Aid in the murder of 3,000,000 Polish Jews (90% of all Jews in Poland)*

Jews: *Ask Poles to recognize their crimes and make amends*

Poles: Why does everything have to be about the fucking Jews? Who cares about Jews, anyway? There are hardly any of you here.
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